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  • MarkT
    Moderator
    • Nov 2007
    • 835

    Corse forum

    Everyone-

    When Jimmy gave/forced the Corse forum to/on me after talking at Barber I attempted to organize it so members would share Corse information but not feel that I was being heavy handed on how the flow of the threads went.

    I would like to explain again how I hope members will approach the Main Corse forum and the two sub-forums


    I organized the Corse forum so it would have three sections- the first two sub-forums are ----Gallery and Technical. The third is for general Corse discussions that can range from what Jasper is currently fabricating to Tony asking questions about frames.

    I wanted to make the sub-forums "stickies" but I could not move past Corse related threads into "sticky" threads so Jimmy created the two sub-forums.

    The two sub-forums are meant to be used as a "Accurate" Corse reference sections- so forum member's can see what Corse's are and what parts are actually Corse. These sub-forums should be accurate enough so they could be used by anyone buying/or restoring a Corse. I think it will also be useful to owners who want to make a track bike or add Corse parts to their 851/888.

    I would like the Gallery sub-forum to have Corse bike pictures (with and without bodywork) with any info the contributor knows about the bike in the picture. I envision some text explaining what it is and year. Additional info like history of the bike-past riders and how much is factory Corse would be helpful. I would like to avoid the situation where a forum member sees a street part in one of the pictures and believes that the part is original to a Corse. A bit of narrative would prevent wrong parts becoming gospel.



    The Technical sub-forum is where we show pictures of Corse parts like air boxes, swing arms, throttle bodies, giving the year the part was used.


    I would like discussions in both sub-forums to be about what is in the thread but if if it goes off topic I would like the off topic to be moved to the main Corse forum as a new thread. The member who went off topic could state that they are moving their question to the main forum under a new thread title-- Jasper could say he is wants to know more about swing arms because he wants to fabricate the one he saw in the technical forum and will start a Swing arm thread in the Corse forum.

    OK-- this may be wishful thinking because it may mess up the flow of a good discussion- but I am hoping we can make this go this way.

    I will move this to a new thread in the Corse forum if anyone has suggestions or comments-- I will label the thread Corse forum organization.
  • MarkT
    Moderator
    • Nov 2007
    • 835

    #2
    Corse forum

    This is for discussion on how you members would like to organize the Corse forum and sub-forums

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    • 851corsa
      Guest
      • Dec 2008
      • 536

      #3
      Utube: 851 Superbike racing '91
      Last edited by 851corsa; 10-13-2014, 04:55 PM.

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      • MarkT
        Moderator
        • Nov 2007
        • 835

        #4
        Terry-

        I am on a few car forums where the members proudly provide their frame number and history. For some reason it is different for these early Corse bikes. I maintain a private list of about 40 frame numbers but I was only able to assemble them because most owner's asked me to keep them private. I am not sure what the difference is between car collectors and Corse owners but as one forum member pointed out- there is a fear that a bike could be replicated using a frame number off of the public (or my private) list. I am sure there are many more reasons. I have no problem providing my numbers as I have on my project '91 but I respect owners who do not wish to provide me or a public forum with their numbers.

        If owners would like to PM me with their opinion of Terry's proposal I would like to hear from you- and I will keep your PM private.

        I am hoping that I can receive much of the information you would like to see in the Gallery sub forum-less the frame number if the owner does not wish to share it.

        I must point out that the Gallery is not meant to be a showcase just for forum member's Corse's. I would like to see as many pictures of full on Corse's that members can post. If you have any history please add it to the pictures. I am sure each picture will be debated and that is what would make the Gallery interesting.

        I think both the Gallery and the Technical sub forums are going to grow very slowly judging from our progress so far. This tells me that the Corse owner's on this forum are fairly private.

        I would still like some input from forum members if you feel the organization of the Corse forum is acceptable - or not. I am open to any suggestions.

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        • Jasper
          Moderator
          • Jun 2007
          • 2169

          #5
          Mark,

          I like the idea for a few reasons:

          1.I treat Corses like porn!
          2.My hobby is my bike,and parts I can't afford or are unaffordable I like to make.The library would be a fantastic source to me.
          3.I can understand why you want to keep the "wannabee" stuff seperate from the genuine,sometimes the lines are very grey
          4.Maybe some corse owners think they have a genuine corse and have doubts and don't want the very knowledgeable people on this forum destroying their dream?

          Just my opinions of course.

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          • desmo57
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 439

            #6
            Originally posted by Jasper
            Mark,

            I like the idea for a few reasons:

            1.I treat Corses like porn!
            2.My hobby is my bike,and parts I can't afford or are unaffordable I like to make.The library would be a fantastic source to me.
            3.I can understand why you want to keep the "wannabee" stuff seperate from the genuine,sometimes the lines are very grey
            4.Maybe some corse owners think they have a genuine corse and have doubts and don't want the very knowledgeable people on this forum destroying their dream?

            Just my opinions of course.
            +1, 2, 3
            nr 4: I don't give a f"ck! I'm not really interested in "real" corsa engine and frame numbers! I like every period correct racing bike, being a corsa treated SP or the real deal! I'm still convinced there is no such thing as a real corsa bike, every proffesional racing team modifies or converted there bikes according there sponsor's demands or needs and even the factory didn't have the parts to build two simular bikes!
            La guerra continua!

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            • MarkT
              Moderator
              • Nov 2007
              • 835

              #7
              Originally posted by desmo57
              +1, 2, 3
              nr 4: I don't give a f"ck! I'm not really interested in "real" corsa engine and frame numbers! I like every period correct racing bike, being a corsa treated SP or the real deal! I'm still convinced there is no such thing as a real corsa bike, every proffesional racing team modifies or converted there bikes according there sponsor's demands or needs and even the factory didn't have the parts to build two simular bikes!
              Desmo57-

              As I said- the pictures can be of any bike that is set up as a Corse. I do not care if the bike was from the factory with a frame number and History--or "assembled" from Corse parts by someone in his garage or from a race team.

              Believe me- I am not that pure about this word "Corse"-- the point of the sub threads is to give anyone restoring or recreating a "Corse" a place to see the real parts- not to glorify the owners of these bikes.

              The point of the main Corse forum is just to talk about anything Corse related- be it constructing parts or asking questions or starting rumors- what ever.

              For the Gallery-Current day pictures or period pictures are welcome. Yes I would like to get as many pictures of bikes that came from the factory but I also want pictures of "assembled" Corses.

              I agree that many current day pictures will be of reconstructed Corse- either because after years of racing many parts have been replaced or someone started off with a just a Corse frame and some parts or started out with a street bike and slowly "assembled" it into a "Corse" (affectionately known as Bitsa bike) that may or may not have any history. Some cool racing bikes of that period were "bitsa bikes"

              One of the Corse's I bring to the track (see my avatar) is a Bitsa bike which took me years to build- each year at the track it was different from the year before until every part on it is now a factory Corse part. I now call it a '94 Corse because every part such as the frame, swing arm, and wheels are the correct parts for that year. Some will say I cannot say that- but for this forum I say we can.


              The important point is that the pictures show the correct collection of part for the year of the bike.

              If we want the Gallery and the Technical section to be a good reference we need to keep a bit of purity. But where to draw the line.



              I know that there are many great "Assembled" Corse bikes out there that have a mix of real Corse parts such as '90 forks on a '93 Corse bike, or have a built street motor on a Corse rolling chassis, or has a street frame with many many great Corse parts on them-- and I think if you are reading this Forum you would love to see them all.

              I think if the majority of the parts are Corse such as the frame, suspension, and bodywork we could handle them in the Gallery by have a very concise write up pointing out what the mixed year parts are and what parts are not Corse.

              I am sure bikes like this will provoke a lively discussion.

              If the bike is still basically a street bike with a great collection of Corse parts then we can throw it into the main Corse section to show other members what we have. And I can be jealous because you have the Carbon rotors on your street bike that I need to complete one of my bikes.

              OK - I have gone on way too long-- I hope we can have a good forum centered around the Corse bikes. I will do as much as I can to contribute to the Technical section and provide dimensions and pictures of parts. I have many many pictures of Corse's that I can slowly add to the Gallery. But I would like anyone who has anything to share to start a thread.

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              • Tony_Ducati
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 296

                #8
                Corse bike

                I know a man in the USA who claims to have Troy Corser's 1994 AMA winner. What constituted whether having a rag used to wipe the screen, made it the Corser bike, was food for debate I recall. A bit like Mike Hailwood's '78 IOM winner. Just last year there was a photo of it appearing somewhere in the US, about the same time I was charging guys beer to photograph them sitting on it in the Museo in Bologna. Hmmm ....
                Cheers,

                TONY
                www.beveltech.net
                1973 750 Sport
                1974 750 SS
                1975 900 SS
                1975 860 GT
                1976 905 Bevel Racer
                1979 NCR 900 "kit"
                1992 851 Strada

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                • hubinduc
                  Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 13

                  #9
                  I totally agree with either Markt as with desmo 57.
                  many racebikes are sometimes recovered in a poor state and with parts missing as it was in my case.
                  missing were: the original Marvics, the ergal clutch, the ohlins shock,the battery holder, the rear caliper, and the head of the fairing. some of these parts were replaced with stock 851 strada items. as a result the man (instead of checking it properly) who sold the bike to me assumed that the engine was also an 851 strada and I bought the bike for a more than reasonable price. of course much to his dispair after that was revealed that the rest of the bike was original he wanted immediately to buy it back!
                  he made that mistake because at that moment he had an '93 corsa in his workshop wich is night and day more developed than the '90

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                  • SPS
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 118

                    #10
                    I like the idea of a Corse forum. I personally don't feel comfortable giving my frame or engine numbers out because there are some really talented fabricators out there who could probably reproduce a frame pretty easily. Mine is a "customer Corse" but I take pride in it. I don't see anything wrong with guys reproducing parts to improve or complete a bike but I'm not a huge fan of the completely pieced together "Corse" bikes unless the owner discloses that fact often. Just my opinion. That being said.. I really like a LOT of the custom bikes and fabricated parts out there. I know a lot of the TT bikes have a ton of custom work on them and they are spectacular but I like to know when I am looking at a true Corse bike and when I am looking at a custom build. If there is an advantage to giving the numbers out I would like to hear what it is...
                    Last edited by SPS; 12-18-2011, 02:43 AM.

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                    • Mr.R
                      Moderator
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 5430

                      #11
                      The old question of "How long is a piece of string?" comes to mind here.

                      There's a forum member on here that has in his possession a pair of Harris Adjustable yokes/triple trees that came from one of Steve Wynne's Sports Motorcycles 888 Corsa bikes that was raced amongst other places on the IOM.
                      They're not a genuine factory fitted part but they're a genuine period part that was used in anger back in the day.
                      Steve Wynne's company also developed some race parts/mod's back then that were later incorporated into the factory and customer bikes.

                      Back in the early 80's when almost every bike in the 1st ten in the BSB* were 888's, a lot of them were modified SP's with a lot of top name riders on them, does this make them any less historical?

                      *British Super Bike Championship.

                      Steve R

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                      • desmo57
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 439

                        #12
                        +1!

                        Over here, Danny Schildermans had a Freddy Nijssen tuned SP5 as a second bike (nr1 bike was a 94 888 racing). Didn't stop him kicking some serious Belgian and Dutch SBK and BoTT butt!
                        La guerra continua!

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                        • SPS
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 118

                          #13
                          I agree. If the parts were used during the timeframe that the factories were campaigning the bikes then I feel they are period correct and legit. Not saying anything negative about anyone elses' bike I just like to know when something is not from there era..just my opinion

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                          • outtacontrolla
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 118

                            #14
                            I do love a restored Corsa , but at the same time a completeperiod correctbike is much more interesting !
                            I love to see the mods and special parts , external and internal , factory or privateer .
                            There are some really nice bikes out there with no frame numbers (replaced after crashes in period )
                            or even built from new frame up as a project !
                            Most interesting for me would be discovering an old race bike , back of a container all dusty and looking well used !
                            Researching it's history and contacting previous owners and riders is a real buzz!
                            Lastly firing her up and riding her on track is the icing on the cake!
                            Get yer twins out !

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